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11Clouds

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God or Satan?
« on: January 08, 2012, 08:59:54 AM »
I'm sure some of you are believers. I myself am Christian, but it would be foolish of me to say that my faith hasn't been tested lately. Although I have been more spiritual, I have been seeing a lot of 'illuminati' stuff lately. Like, everywhere! And the Mayan calendar has a lot of triangles, no? This is scaring me. Sometimes I want to listen, while other times I wonder if this may actually be an evil force at work. They say that Satan can pretend he is a light. In other words, he can fool us into thinking he is God. Something just doesn't seem right to me. If all these bad things happen on 11th and such, that all these evil people love eleven so much, it would make sense that eleven would be evil. Now, this is just speculation. I am not saying one way or the other. I am trying to keep my eyes open. Some signs recently, though, were quite scary and I certainly could take them to be signs from the devil. They were very frightening, which is why I don't wish to talk about it. Only words, but they were scary nonetheless. And then I had this stupid thought, Like, I wondered (forgive me for saying this) if Satan is actually good and Jesus is bad. I feel horrible for saying that, but is what I thought on a few occasions. Perhaps this is him trying to pull me into the dark side. Thus, I suggest questioning everything you see. Keep your eyes open, but keep an eye on your heart.

I'd also like to add: Jesus said we shall not know when the end time will come. Therefore, we shouldn't think it will be any day. Just try to prepare your self.

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Re: God or Satan?
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2012, 12:22:24 PM »
11Clouds,

It's natural to question your faith at this stage of events. I'm also a Christian and the 11 Phenomenon caused me to question my faith when the phenomenon started and some of those questions were very much like yours. It's healthy to question, seek and find, scripture explains this; so to question the 11 Phenomenon is normal. My advice as a Christian is to keep reading the scripture daily and stay strong in your belief and faith in God. Personally I have no beliefs in the Illuminati, my personal research concludes that Illuminati isn't what it seams, at the bottom of this message is a passage taken form a insert on Yahoo, I'm not the author but, it pretty much sums up my research. You are right in that Jesus said we shall not know when the end time will come but, he didn't say he wouldn't give us any further warnings as that time nears, almost like an absolute last chance during the final hour. I believe that any father who loves his children would offer at least that and Gods love is far greater  ;) . As to whether this is God or Satan, I believe the answer is in the book of Revelations but, ultimately, I doubt that any-one knows for sure as yet so my advice is to stay alert and not to worry too much, acceptance is the key to me.

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The Illuminati did exist as a secret society but they were secret only to protect themselves from persecution by the all powerful Roman Catholic church. They were all very intelligent and respected scientists philosophers and logical thinkers. One of the original members was Galileo who proved that the Earth rotated around the sun (which it does) but the church held that the sun rotated around the Earth (which it doesn't) because the Earth was the centre of the universe. Even though he was right, he was forced to recant and was held under house arrest for many years.

Once the church lost its power, nearly 200 years ago, the Illuminati ceased to exist because science could be pursued openly and there was no need for secret societies. As a matter of interest, Galileo was a devout Roman Catholic. He also died about 200 years before the secret society was formed in Bavaria and the two groups may have been connected but were not the same entity.

The New World Order (or the Illuminati taking over the world) would have happened many decades ago if it was going to happen at all - but it wasn't because, like the Devil worship nonsense, the whole thing was a malicious rumour set about by the Church to discredit the Illuminati and to maintain their own dubious integrity. Rumours simply developed over time into conspiracy theories. The idea that they still exist and all the melodramatic rubbish that goes with it is perpetuated by those who educate themselves from comic books and movies - the truly great thinkers of the world.

In short, the Illuminati were not evil, they no longer exist but they have been replaced by a number of scams who claim to be Illuminati for their own financial benefit

If you happen to be American, you have nothing to worry about as they never made it to America except in Dan Brown novels, comic books, movies and spurious groups who claim to be the Illuminati.

Anybody who is, or claims to be, in the Illuminati is referring to one of the fake groups. Another point to think about is that if it is a secret society, nobody in it will talk about it. Besides this, the entry requirement was intelligence not cash or fame.


  
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2012, 03:44:45 PM »
I'm not saying they do exist. I think it is a possibility, though. Trust me. I always thought that stuff was weird and silly nonsense. I have been seeing these signs, though. After researching on our state, I found that 11 is related to theories on them.  :-\ Just think it's better to research and talk about the possibilities, rather than not, you know?

Also, I agree with you on the praying and reading scripture!  :) It's good for us, even if 11 wasn't happening.

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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2012, 11:06:46 PM »
I would love to learn more about the things you are seeing. I consider my knowledge to be relatively limited and I'm still open hearted to all theories and keen the learn more. The more we all chat about and share our experiences the greater the chance we may have to peace things together and understand more, so yeah, I'm with you 100% on chatting more about all this :)

What kind of things are you seeing and in what way are they related to the 11 for you?

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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2012, 01:20:17 AM »
Since I seriously need to sleep, I may write more tomorrow morning. To help you see what I'm seeing though, I suggest you do several things:

1) Look at the top of this forum...  :-\ go ahead.
2) Computer and tv. What brands do you have? What represents said brands?
2) Consider taking a drive. Take note of big businesses. What do they all have in common (besides the money and stuff)?

It's so obvious that it slips right through us. I kind of wish I didn't see this stuff. Then again, I'm happy I know. You know what they say. Ignorance is bliss. Then again, maybe I'm batty.  ;) Though, If you are interested in specifics, I will consider getting into them (but I am weary at this point) Everything seems to be happening so fast for me... all the things I'm learning and etcetera.. just a little much at the moment. I need to collect my thoughts and try to slow down a bit. I hope you understand. And I know this stuff seems nuts. Please. I totally realize that. But isn't this what Revelations kind of mentions? ???

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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2012, 04:31:53 AM »
There are many predictions and many potential disasters that people think will cause the end of the world. Many seem very plausible, yet they can't all happen. The Mayan calendar gives us 2012. Isaac Newton believed it would be 2060. The Bible seems to point to somewhere in this time period as do other major religions and Nostradamus... What I think we can take from some of this is that everything pointing to these days could be considered signs. I don't believe the world will end on 12/21/12, but it is a major galactic event that happens to occur at 11:11. Given the times we live in it is hard to ignore.

Even the acts of evil people could be considered a sign. The spirit of the anti-Christ appears to be alive and well. The anti-Christ himself is probably alive as well. You are right in that we are not supposed to know the date of the end. We are told to be watching and that certain things would happen in increasing fashion like labor pains. I think those and the things we are talking about are signs as well.

Yes, there are evil people who seem to use the 11th to commit terrible acts. Evil people will twist even good things and try to use it for their own purposes. Many natural disasters have occurred on this date as well. I believe these are signs. I don't think a number is inherently evil, although numbers can a symbolic meaning. 666 obviously represents evil. The number 7 is considered a Godly number. Many people consider the number 11 to represent chaos and disorganization. It is also considered to represent revelation. Perhaps both are true, which could be why evil people often devise evil schemes around this number and good people seem to be given this number as a sign or wake-up call. The tribulation will be a time of chaos that ultimately leads to the return of Jesus. Disorganization and revelation do kind of go hand in hand. So in that sense the number 11 could represent both bad and good.

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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2012, 01:37:42 PM »
I am jewish, and do not believe in hell or satan, so I don't know if my words would be of any comfort to you,   I think it would be very confusing and scary to question  your faith and your beliefs  in God because of this.   Just remember who you are and what you love,and that God is  loving and forgiving.


 Good things and bad things happen everyday, I have had plenty of bad things happen to me and lots of struggles, but that is life, and life is a gift.  I always remind myself.... that without bad things happening, we would not be able to truly appreciate the good.   

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God or Satan
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2012, 07:22:01 PM »
Yes, God loves satan. God is love.

The bible says;
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;  Matt. 5 :44
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,  Luke 6: 27.
But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Luke 6:35.
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